I think it's shameful honestly. It seems pointless for me, you know? If they are deaf, mute, and blind, then yeah, they probably don't know as much as someone with all their senses in tact. before you get into any kind of course or classes. Ever think of that? Just ask the Chinese, Useful only in a Japanese context maybe, but once you speak business Japanese well, it is a skill you can use worldwide. That usually happens with second languages, you know, because we're adults and our brains are not as flexible as they used to be and that makes it harder. I'm far from fluent, but I can talk to any Japanese person about just about anything semi-competently and get my point across in most cases. Although Japanese people probably wouldn't say it, they probably think you're a fool too. The reason that I want to study Japanese is that I may have to leave China and I want to do something related to what I already know. Lots of signs and menus are in English, and the entire population has received at least six years of English education. Course by now I've forgotten French too. Then stay there for exactly one week. Your English ability might win you some brownie points within some circles or a temporary flavor of the day. (Reading newspapers and magazines, etc). In the end, were all going to die anyway, it would all have been a waste of time!". I couldn't speak Chinese, they couldn't speak English, but we could both speak Japanese ;). Oh? Unless you were studying Japanese on academic terms, you should not set unrealistic goals while you study by yourself. I speak excellent Japanese but it took me a lot of hard work to get there. What I'm after is coaching. In a maximum of one month I will be able to communicate with a native Japanese citizen in basic conversation. That realization changes the equation. Although the article is correct up to some stage.. Japanese is hard.. not even talking about the kanji.. even the conversational stuff just because its so different from my language. I think everybody should decide for themselves why they wanna learn the language and to what degree. Of course you can learn about a culture from a Lonely Planet guide or textbook, but the only way to truly (note that word, as opposed to superficially) learn and understand a culture is to immerse yourself in it. SMEs and startups succeed in Japan's most dynamic city, Sometimes no matter how perfectly you ask a question in Japanese, you'll get an answer in English. You can't understand a culture without it. Of the roughly 20 countries I’ve been to, Japan is probably the most set up to accommodate people who don’t speak the local language. My advice is learn Japanese up to about Level 3. I was desperate to go to Japan but then realized that it's pretty unrealistic so I quit learning Japanese FOR GOOD. Based on what? JapanToday If you wish to learn a secondary language, first.. learn to love the country, before you utter a word. By studying the cosmos beyond our own planet, I can try to understand where we came from, where we are going, and how physics works under conditions which are impossible to recreate on Earth. So you are a Japanese, you knew the language. Yes, Japanese people when they see foreigners will automatically assume that they cannot speak the language, nothing wrong with that because MOST CAN'T. And the more fun you want to have, the more you have to work. With all that time 'wasted', you could've learnt a new language... ;p. I agree to some extent that if you are learning Japanese for anything other than a hobby - then it's not worth it. Learn 2000 English words and you may be able to converse at kindergarten.". Their experience in Japan was much richer than mine. Sure, Japan has a huge population and it is not hard to find someone who wants to learn english (simply because of the numbers), but there are many many others learning Chinese (becoming more and more popular in schools) and German. It goes to show you can have all the tools at your hand to master Japanese but if your not truly prepared to make the efforts required you won't master it. Third: You might get a Japanese girlfriend, and unless you can switch languages back and forth, you'll always feel like you're the beta in the relationship. Education in Pakistan is overseen by the Federal Ministry of Education and the provincial governments, whereas the federal government mostly assists in curriculum development, accreditation and in the financing of research and development.Article 25-A of Constitution of Pakistan obligates the state to provide free and compulsory quality education to children of the age group 5 to 16 years. In 4 months I will learn slang and commonly used phrases that are not taught in books. Read: Myself, I can honestly say I’ve spent at least 4,000 hours actively studying, and that’s not counting watching Japanese movies, singing karaoke, having conversations all day long in Japanese, and working in Japan. I couldn't imagine being able to go to Shirakawa-go and not know a word of Japanese. I barely know where to begin with this article. There's no such thing or it's different as an adult which is EXACTLY true as kids and adults learn things differently! "But Japan’s still just a place, with plenty of both good and bad. The word shopping for instance which is used quite heavily in the west does not exist in some other languages (such as for example in Russian) as a noun. And that my understanding of people is enhanced by speaking to them in their mother tongue. One's English ability will do little if nothing for you while in Japan. Press release first paragraph: Try features, Continuous partial attention syndrome quotes, Quotes on short form and long form content, Quotes on jargon, buzzwords & other gibberish, Quotes on conversational business writing, Resources on how to write a good case study, Quotes on how to write a great case study, Quotes on the body in feature article structure. I only have had a few Indian friends, one was a kid my age in elementary school, one who is still currently a friend, actually a family friend because he’s near my parents age, and another was a kid from college. Was it fun? At my work, if I couldn't speak Japanese, I'm guessing no one would bother talking to me. On the contrary, learning Japanese is easier than ever thanks to programs such as Google Translate and it seems also, that the author (s) have little understanding of how truly bad the English in Japan really is, outside of Tokyo. Japanese sounds and is much more structured and makes more overall sense. (even in Japanese) and most likely I get a shake of the head. Frankly, I found the better my Japanese got, the more annoyed I became with the place. Furthermore, how can you truly understand a language without understanding the culture? 2) The premise that you shouldn't learn Japanese if you're only a tourist could be extrapolated to say if you are a tourist anywhere you never have to learn the language. There are no shortcuts. And they look at you with a blank stare if you mention the Kyoto School regarding "nothingness". I know about the culture of South Korea from reading a few history books and travel guides on the country, I even learnt a bit more by travelling there a few times with nothing more than rudimendtary Korean skills, but I do not presume to truly know the cultural idiosyncracies of the country because I do not understand the linguistic nuances that play an important part of everyday communication, and thereby make up a huge part of the living, breathing culture of the people and country. There is literally only ONE reason why anyone should forego learning Japanese: they don't want to. (I was an economics major back in the day.) But hey, at least the food’s good. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I don't really understand the point here. My conversational Japanese is very basic still... (because of the way I learned it and other causes). It’s Going to Take Time. Some people are born with the ability to pick it up quicker than others. I guess all those deaf/mute/blind folks don't know anything about their culture, right? No relative pronouns? This one is the most aggravating.. Hi guys. Pretty sure Yoda said that. and the French hate it. The more you know the better off you are. According to the Multiple Indicators Cluster Survey 2006 of Vietnam's General Statistics Office, 96% of six to 11-year-old children enrolled in primary school. I showed my girlfriend "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate" which I brought with me when I first arrived here, and she was saying how odd and unnatural the language and scenarios were. What you wrote here was such a disservice to all those people who want to study and expand their knowledge. I can read signs and labels and fill out forms. @JustinPascoe - you can learn hiragana and katakana in a few days - get some flashcards and a writing practice workbook. Sure, I've made some friends and made many situations easier with my Japanese skills, but I could have done that with a lot less language skill than I have. I guess all those deaf/mute/blind folks don't know anything about their culture. But at least you need to try to blend in. The problem is how Japanese is taught in colleges and universities. Because a baby, utters words.. once it feels secure, once it feels, a part of its environment.. and most importantly, once it feels accepted by those around the child.. that is how i learnt Japanese and English simultaneously... ugh.. i despise Kanji. I tried to use the language and people everywhere, young and old were generous to my outreach. The Japanese people who wanted to be around the English speakers would tag along with anything and everything the "English" speakers wanted to do and that included many nights at the local expat bar and heading over to each others homes for drinks and parties. I wish I hadn't wasted all my time NOT learning Japanese. It seems like no person is willing to admit that Japan isnt exactly the dreamland western ding-dongs seem to think it is (me, white girl western ding-dong head of foreign relations). Thats NOT an experience that you will benefit from. Not speaking the language doesn't mean you can't learn about another culture or expand your mind. I hope i got this confident in other languages too. Isn't that the case anywhere you live? I can understand what's happening on TV. Higashi-Azabu IS bldg, 4F I have studied Japanese on and off for years. Most "natives" where I live are not surprised when I talk to them for the first time. There are more irregular verbs than you think, in Japanese, though I agree English has FAR too many and there's nothing you can do but memorize them, but your snippets of examples of how Japanese benefits from English having this or that do not mention all the archaic, difficult points they have in Japanese that do not exist in English or many other languages. Open window, insert cake. It's something you experience. It takes a long time because English and Japanese are very different. The Tshiluba language comes from the Republic of Congo and is considered to be the most untranslatable word in the world. That is a unique culture you aren't going to learn from a textbook. Listening to my inlaws, you'd be hard pressed to find one complete sentence throughout the entire conversation. So people spend time learning Japanese and then find it's not worth it? So we want to keep the momentum going, and keep people enrolled. Once your skills get good enough to where your mistakes sound like the mistakes of a Japanese child or moron - rather than an obvious foreigner - you've reached the depth of the contemptible valley. I can get information and make reservations over the phone, even if the person on the other end of the line doesn't speak English. When I read the title, I was ready to disagree right away. English will get you much if anywhere within Japanese culture and society, neither will japanese fluency if you dont look the part. English is a pretty upbeat language; Japanese, eh, not so much. rikaikun. Level 1 means JLPT N1? It's an immense undertaking in the best of circumstances and complicated now by an overly cautious decision-making process, bureaucratic roadblocks and a public that has long been deeply wary of vaccines. ©2021 GPlusMedia Inc. Discouraging people from learning more than basic survival phrases is, to me, propagation of ignorance to the extreme. I've been to Japan and thought the architecture was great (at least the architecture of old buildings, of which there were many) and the natural scenery beautiful. It makes me so sad to read such an article. I do know that Japanese kids learn the characters by relating them to pictures with a statement...kind of hard to explain. It shows. You actually had to work to eat? I now have a successful company with many employees and if I hadn't learned Japanese none of this would have happened. The architecture — mmm, it’s not so great. Imagine you were a Japanese in your past life. How to use acronyms, abbreviations and initialisms, Literacy, Numeracy, and Problem Solving in Technology-Rich Environments Among U.S. I spent much of each weekday reading scholarly articles in Japanese. But think about whether you want to spend a decade on Japanese before you set out. Cleo, that is probably more true outside the Tokyo anthill. And sure, you always can find gaijin chasers for a superficial fling, but you are greatly limiting your pool of people who might have been a partner for a lifetime if you can't communicate with 95% of people here effectively. This article has a point. I was living in a gaijin house in the summer of 1985 when the big JAL crash that killed 495 people occurred. Much better to answer questions of English in French. Who knows!? But when I say “a little” of the language, I mean it. "Language is the only thing worth knowing even poorly" - Kato Lomb. I was beaten by your article. In the end, it will cause less problems for you, and it won't cause the natives of that country problems. If language does influence culture, then how can you understand it without understanding how the language influences it? You might want to give some thought to undertaking a project with a higher dropout rate than that oShackletonf the Navy SEALs. This article made it for just a little harder to learn this language. I've lived in the countryside, as well as the big city, and let me tell you things are VERY different out there... MY family is Japanese and trust me, knowing Japanese hasn't really been beneficial. Now Im several months into Japanese and can safely say that its alot easier than Mandarin (At least in the beginning). Hahaha, good article Ken! Everything was new, and everything was interesting. ), I'll give you my experience. Of course it takes time! My point though is that I'd love to know which countries these are. I happen to have a fascination with logographic writing systems (in particular, chinese characters) and japanese culture and wanted to speak another language; Japanese was the obvious choice. Be reminded, a lot of Japanese people are not great at Japanese - don't feel bad. Even if you're not going to stay in Japan for a long time, it will still make your life a lot easier if you learn Japanese. Keep in mind that this is all thanks to you. I have yet to meet one who was capable of discussing Mishima or Kawabata with any depth. I guess all those articles that people read in their native language about different cultures doesn't mean anything, right? I attended language exchange every week and free Japanese classes. Part of me thinks that many men my age (24) have similar thoughts desires and therefor I should compare and decide. I do not like HAVING to constantly go to school to stay here, I am working to get a business VISA here in Fukuoka though soon. I hate to sound like a travel brochure, but if all you are judging Japan's worth on is your in-laws and TV, then you don't know what you're missing. But for work, I'm definitely beginning to wish that I could just fake not knowing Japanese. It's just better to be dumb, naive and stupid then to make the effort. Actually I am kinda ok with that! i.e. Granted, I came to Japan for the first time as a student of Japanese historical linguistics and eventually became a translator. I'm able to hold a casual conversation now and I can understand the spoken language well, not because I'm living in Japan (that seems to be people's excuse for not studying enough!) I've gotten some opportunities at work, but because of the convoluted Japanese work dynamics and the problem of keigo, it's not generally advisable for me to use it in the office, since many native speakers even have trouble with the appropriate level of formality. (Any North American familiar with the English Only movement will see the irony here. In that case, I agree, don't start learning Japanese and don't move here either. Saying "You'll never be accepted no matter how long you live here, so why bother learning the language" may be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Some foreigners speak excellent Japanese, many don't. I have never been in Japan and I don't know if I would ever go, but i have started to pickup some words and phrases by watching anime. When your Japanese is obviously a bunch of inadequate, strung-together phrases, the locals will like it. I've never been answered in English when I use my limited Japanese unless I've asked the person if they speak English. I'd be interested to see this research you are referring to, because practically everything I have ever read states the exact opposite. High School: Functions. But now looking back, it's the kind of mindset that I could've done without. And every time you speak Japanese, people will say, “Oh, your Japanese is so good.” And then they’ll try to speak English with you. If I had to say how long it would take to get reasonably good at Japanese, I’d estimate a minimum of 3 to 7 years, and possibly much more, depending upon how much time you devote and how many advantages you bring to the table. Support mechanisms are fine, but they can only go so far.. self-study, is the wrong word.. since from the day you are born till the day you die.. you never stop studying.. or rather learn.. The natural scenery — yeah, that’s not so great either. False in a few circumstances. This is a fact, this is true. But the desire to be fluent in Japanese makes me wake up in the morning and try harder.. There is no try. I have found that it is much easier to talk to people when they know you can speak Japanese. I was mortified. I have met many people who sincerely try to communicate in English which is greatly appreciated. All they were trying to do was to improve themselves and to learn more about something unknown to them, and I think that's pretty great. Of course, you can spend the years of your life any way you like, but it seems a shame to buy a cookbook, go to the store for eggs, flour and a cake pan, come home and mix up a batter, put it in the oven, and then half an hour later yank open the oven and throw the whole thing out the window. If you learnt the language, but you still don't understand them, then you haven't learnt enough. It would be astounding. Of course you need to learn and understand the language of the culture you are in, otherwise you miss so much, the humor, the stories, the added weave to the human experience of the tapestry around you. I do admit that some organizations are not foreigner friendly for example I just received a letter about renewing my health insurance & it was written entirely in Japanese. Is Japanese your second language? Little kiddies can speak little kiddie Japanese. To make sure I'm understanding you correctly, by saying you don't need to know a language to understand a culture, are you implying that language has no influence on culture? (Which they don't tell you in class) Learn to read only, forget testing on writing kanji, do reading only...it could actually work out pretty well. while its true that its different when you are just "travelling" or vacationing in Japan VS living and working in Japan.. its true that a better lifestyle you want to acquire living in Japan the harder you need to work.. based on my experience yes, this is true.. I can read signs, newspapers, magazines, even novels. You should persevere and learn to understand, speak, read and write Japanese as far as possible, because otherwise it's a massive waste of a good opportunity, and of your time here; and because otherwise you'll become a tiresome cliche of that foreigner. Its true people talk English to me when I am there and see me as a tourist which is perfectly fine.. because I am. That’s why we have entry tests for all applicants who want to work for us. Plain and simple. Without Japanese my employment choices and potential for salary growth would be very very limited. I'm going to keep on keeping on learning and studying Japanese and having fun with it. Learn Japanese if you want to, but understand that there is essentially no situation in which you will HAVE to. As for those who work and live in Japan, I would have thought that learning the language would have been essential. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383131592767868.html. But honestly, when I look at the very few people I actually know who’ve succeeded, it’s clear why. I don't need to know how to write or speak it. If you do that, you won't have to throw pies out of windows or whatever this article suggests because you'll have enough resources to get the job done and keep your motivation up. Then they find out you can speak Japanese (usually by hearing you talking to someone else, and that someone else's head not exploding from the effort of trying to speak English) and heave a huge sigh of relief. Who said I was judging JUST based on my in-laws? Obvious facts: (1) You can get very good in a year if you stay away from English language situations and put in some effort (2) The writer must know some very...can't find a polite description, so I'll be brutally honest...lazy and/or dumb people for his sample group. "...the use of Kanji effectually makes it nearly impossible to be able to read." 3 to 7 years to learning japanese? According to this page that's enough to become between intermediate high and superior: http://www.languagetesting.com/how-long-does-it-take. 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